Bitcoin SV can be understood as a tool for freedom and opportunities besides all technical explanations. No wonder it attracts people that preach freedom, people that are motivated and people that believe that humans have the ability to change their life to one with a better direction. Entrepreneur, educator and coach T.K. Coleman is one of them. He is Director of Entrepreneurial Education @feeonline and co-founder of Praxis. We caught up with Coleman to hear about how he got involved in Bitcoin SV and to get insights into a mind of someone who is not too technically involved with Bitcoin, but highly acknowledges and spreads its capabilities.\u00a0 Hi, T.K.! You do a lot of awesome things\u2014kindly introduce yourself! Well, I\u2019ll begin with my life mission: I want to help as many people as possible realize that they have the permission and the power to be the predominant creative force in their own lives. I believe that so-called \u201cordinary\u201d individuals are far more capable of thinking for themselves, taking charge of their own lives, and influencing the world for good more than many of us have been conditioned to believe. It\u2019s easy to sit back and bemoan how terrible the world is, but I think it\u2019s far more productive to do the hard work of trying to make the world a freer place one person at a time. A true leader will usher you towards your power, not away from it. A true leader isn\u2019t just going to give you the truth about all the hardship and unfairness in the world. They\u2019re also going to give you the truth about our rich history of overcoming incredible odds. That\u2019s not positive thinking. That\u2019s practical thinking.\u00a0 https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?vgP6d376oq-U In everything I do, I try to practice and promote this outlook on life. For the last several years that took the form of helping young people launch their careers through Praxis. The bulk of my work involved developing the curriculum, coaching, and community aspects of the program. When we first started, the notion that you could succeed without a college degree without having to be some kind of rare genius was much more controversial. Now you see more and more people talking about the importance of college alternatives and skills training because of what we\u2019re seeing with the lockdown. It\u2019s almost fashionable to say you don\u2019t need a college degree nowadays. I\u2019m proud to have been part of a movement that helped change the conversation on what\u2019s possible in the realm of alternative higher education before it was the cool thing to do. Currently, the bulk of my work centers around promoting financial literacy, economic self-sufficiency, and entrepreneurial thinking through the work I do with the Foundation for Economic Education. This involves lots of workshops with High School and College Students across the country. Additionally I host and produce several podcasts and livestreams through the \u201cRevolution of One\u201d project where my goal is to expose young people, especially people of color, to a diverse range of entrepreneurs who can provide them with insights and examples on how to be successful no matter where you\u2019ve come from. Feel free to tell us about your \u201cBitcoin journey.\u201d I originally heard about Bitcoin around the time I helped Isaac Morehouse start Praxis around 6 years ago. I was doing a few talks at some colleges and a lot of the students would ask me about this thing called Bitcoin during the Q&A. I had no idea what they were talking about, so I went home and bookmarked some YouTube videos that I never actually watched. I even remember being at conferences with people like Naomi Brockwell and Jeffrey Tucker and hearing them talk about it a lot. It seemed like this interesting thing related to freedom and a lot of the things I was already interested in, but I felt no urgency to study it. Isaac was really into it and he kept badgering me about it. He was even like \u201cjust follow these simple instructions to set up a wallet and I will literally give you some satoshis.\u201d I just couldn\u2019t get motivated though. I didn\u2019t get it.\u00a0 Well, when Bitcoin hit that all-time high in late 2017, you better believe that got my attention. Like many newcomers in the space, my combination of FOMO and regret sent me in search of \u201cthe next big thing\u201d that would bring quick riches. When the BTC\/BCH split happened, I was having a lot of conversations with the Numpties (Isaac, Steve, & Deryk) about this stuff and they convinced me on the philosophy behind big blocks. So I saw BCH as a second chance at Bitcoin considering the dominant perception of BTC as king. Besides BCH, I was also infatuated with a bunch of alt-coins on Ethereum. When the BCH\/BSV split happened, the dominant perception was that BCH was the preferable or most ideal option. BCH seemed like the obvious choice. It had way more support from exchanges, it was still very cheap, and SV had a whole bunch of negative talk surrounding it.\u00a0 But when I looked into things, I found the ambitions of BSV to be far more interesting. The concept of the BSV network as the plumbing or infrastructure for an entirely new way of looking at information exchange seized my imagination like nothing else. And I was really intrigued by this idea that most of these alt-coins were born out of a misunderstanding that bitcoin was broken and couldn\u2019t scale. The notion that you could do so much more on Bitcoin than Peer-to-Peer cash was very intriguing.\u00a0 I remember watching this Jimmy Nguyen talk about data and it hit me: Bitcoin isn\u2019t just a cash system that happens to be electronic. It\u2019s an electronic system, a data system, a communication system that happens to feature cash as an integral part of the incentive structure. While everyone else was busy trying to get people to hold or accept bitcoins, the SV team was focusing on the possibilities of the network. Crypto was a \u201cnumber go up\u201d community, Bitcoin SV was a \u201cnetwork go up\u201d community. And when I looked around to see what the people in BCH were saying about this, they mostly dismissed the SV vision as either silly or secondary.\u00a0 At best, they would acknowledge enterprise-level data solutions as a possible use case, but they would downplay it as secondary to just getting people to use it as cash. At worst, they would mock the idea as futile. My reaction was basically, \u201cI don\u2019t know if BSV will win, but this is the only approach to winning that\u2019s actually compelling enough to capture my curiosity and make me want to learn as much as I can.\u201d In one of the many YouTube videos you appear in concerning Bitcoin, you mentioned that you started to look deeper into Bitcoin around the time the BCH\/BSV split happened: https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?vl7-1EueQyaM This is interesting. Usually I talk to people who have been \u201cin Bitcoin\u201d for several years already, they have a long history to look at Bitcoin SV. You seem to have started your Bitcoin journey roughly around the time BSV actually came to life\u2014this could be an advantage in the sense that you are not influenced by a lot of \u201cBitcoin trouble\u201d from the past? In some ways, yes. Because I haven\u2019t been around since the beginning, I don\u2019t feel frustrated or impatient towards the amount of time it\u2019s taking for Bitcoin to achieve global adoption. I hear many people say things like \u201cIt\u2019s been 10 years already and we still haven\u2019t achieved this\u201d or \u201cI\u2019m tired of all these forks\u201d and I can only imagine how similarly I would feel had I observed Bitcoin going through a bunch of intense mudslinging debates over the years. So in some ways I think I came in at the perfect time. Ask me this question again in 10 years and let\u2019s see how I feel. Even though you are\u2014compared to others\u2014quite new to Bitcoin, you seem to have delved deep into it already. How easy or hard is it to understand Bitcoin SV once one has reliable information available? One of the coolest things about Bitcoin SV is that all the people who are building stuff are very willing to answer questions, share information, and point you to resources for further study. I haven\u2019t had a single negative experience when asking people in BSV about what something means or why something is a certain way. Although learning takes time and effort, it\u2019s a lot easier when you can get other people involved. You need people to argue with, brainstorm with, and so on. Whenever I have questions, I send messages to people in SV and I ask them. They always have interesting things to say. And even if you\u2019re too shy for that, there\u2019s a lot of good content you can check out on Streamanity.\u00a0 I don\u2019t think it\u2019s that hard to find good information about BSV. The hard part is making up your mind to look past all the noise from people who feel threatened by BSV. My recommendation for anyone who wants to learn about BSV or anything else is to go find some people who are actually investing in the ecosystem and ask them to point you to some good resources that represent or explain their ideas. It\u2019s always easy to find someone who says \u201cthat\u2019s a stupid idea,\u201d but you should spend some time listening to people who actually put those ideas into practice if you want to learn about the idea. Then you can decide to accept or reject it with an open mind. But at least make a good faith effort to look at the positive case first. And that\u2019s what\u2019s really difficult for most people. It\u2019s difficult to be open-minded and charitable towards things that aren\u2019t winning in the eyes of the mainstream. You are also part of the so called \u201cThe Four Numpties\u201d that discuss Bitcoin in a very entertaining yet highly informative show on Isaac Morehouse\u2019s channel. Kindly tell us about the show. The Four Numpties is really just a series of everyday conversations about Bitcoin-related things between four friends. We\u2019ve been doing this in the background just for fun for at least the past couple of years. One day, Isaac suggested we record one of our conversations, share with others, and see how it goes. And we\u2019ve been doing that for almost a year now. I love our conversations. We\u2019re all pretty busy with our own creative projects, so it\u2019s a great opportunity to spend time with guys I like philosophizing with. And it also helps me learn more about Bitcoin.\u00a0 When you have to defend and talk about your ideas in front of an audience, it incentivizes you to get better at learning your stuff. We derived our name from a commenter who hates our videos. He makes some kind of disparaging remark every time we post a new episode. One week, he said something like, \u201cOh great, the 4 numpties again,\u201d and I thought, \u201cWhat a great name.\u201d So we decided to use that. And it\u2019s perfect for us because our whole thing is to never take ourselves too seriously.\u00a0 We never want to become the kind of people who can\u2019t laugh at ourselves or who want to run away and hide just because someone isn\u2019t in love with us. The day we start taking ourselves that seriously is the day we need to hang it up and go do something else. The Numpties is about having fun first. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?vmQ0SH9G2w1w What did you learn discussing Bitcoin with Isaac Morehouse, Steve Patterson and Deryk Makgill?\u00a0 From the guys, I\u2019m constantly learning how to process and articulate my thoughts about Bitcoin when faced with tough questions that push me beyond my level of research. That\u2019s really good for me. I\u2019m also learning a lot of things about the historical side of things that they grasp a lot better than me.\u00a0 From our audience, I learned that there are lots of people in Bitcoin who enjoy seeing an example of people discussing and disagreeing about things without becoming melodramatic and personal. I think lots of people are bored by all the mudslinging and pretentiousness they see in crypto. They just want something genuine and lighthearted even if it\u2019s not perfect. In the show you stated not to be a too technical person when it comes to Bitcoin. Same here, by the way. However, this does not at all seem to hinder your interest in Bitcoin SV and its recent developments. Kindly share your thoughts about how non technical people can still help Bitcoin SV to grow and even play a crucial role in the ecosystem. Here\u2019s what\u2019s interesting and ironic to me about the whole technical side of things. Many of the biggest problems in bitcoin have been the direct result of people thinking about things like security, scalability, utility, and value solely in terms of technology rather than economics. Some people make all sorts of lofty-sounding arguments about the way things should be done and no one dares to challenge them because \u201cWell...I don\u2019t have a computer science degree, so who am I to challenge this guy over here speaking a bunch of technical jargon?\u201d And I think a lot of people have been misled and taken advantage of because of this perception that Bitcoin is all about trusting developers to guide us toward infallible truth.\u00a0 To me, this is the heart of Craig Wright\u2019s criticism of \u201ccode is law.\u201d That idea ignores the fact that Bitcoin is an economic system. All this focus on the blockchain data structure won\u2019t mean anything if people don\u2019t overcome their economic fallacies about Bitcoin the incentive structure. This is one of the things I love about Steve Patterson\u2019s takes. He emphasizes the importance of philosophy in all this. Granted, a philosophy background won\u2019t impress anyone nearly as much as a computer science background, but understanding how to construct arguments, how to make conceptual distinctions, how to identify assumptions, how to detect logical fallacies, how to think about epistemology\u2026. these are aspects of sound reasoning that are just as vital as anything else.\u00a0 So while I totally acknowledge and respect the technical side of bitcoin, I think it needs to be rescued from the perception that this is primarily for computer science buffs. There\u2019s a ton of room for entrepreneurs, accountants, economists, educators, marketers, researchers, and people from many other disciplines to contribute to the ecosphere. If Bitcoin succeeds, it\u2019s going to impact every aspect of our world just as the invention of the personal computer or the internet did. So if you\u2019re someone that\u2019s interested in Bitcoin, you have an early mover advantage when it comes to thinking critically and creatively about how it might impact your particular discipline.\u00a0 Now here\u2019s the funny part about my answer: my interest in Bitcoin has inspired me to start studying computer science. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s a prerequisite, but I really want to understand things from the vantage point of information theory and information technology. That\u2019s where my curiosities are compelling me. For others, I would say the important thing is to look for little points of intersection between what intrigues you about Bitcoin and the things you\u2019re already interested in. And don\u2019t be intimidated by the challenges of learning something new. Take small steps and start from where you are. The Computer Science book I\u2019m currently reading is designed for middle school students. We all have to start somewhere. Since the BTC\/BCH and BCH\/BSV split, the \u201ccommunities\u201d involved in these digital assets were battling each other online and offline. Yet in the show you partake in, all of you discuss Bitcoin in a very reasonable and calm way without having to agree on every detail. Is this the future? I think it will always be the case that human beings will disagree and debate about things that have significant political and economic implication. And Bitcoin is no exception. When you think about the magnitude of this vision and all the different ways it can alter the way we exchange value, it\u2019s a miracle that anyone agrees about anything at all.\u00a0 Ravi Zacharias once said we should seek to create discussions that generate more heat than light. That\u2019s something I try to represent in my dialogue with others, but ultimately I think power is about learning how to move ideas forward even when people don\u2019t agree. We can\u2019t always win people over at the level of ideas, but that shouldn\u2019t stop us from trying to change the incentives. To me, that\u2019s what the entrepreneurial spirit is all about. With all of your online presence, you encourage people to be free and take their destiny into their own hands. Let us try to apply that to the Bitcoin world\u2014we see a lot of entrepreneurs in Bitcoin SV, even very small teams trying to achieve big things. Since you also work as a coach in various ways, how would you coach Bitcoin SV entrepreneurs? Keep an experimental and playful attitude. Bitcoin isn't a religion. It's a massive and historically unprecedented scientific experiment being conducted in the real world. Every blockchain believer's hypothesis will be tested and weighed in the court of results. Proof of work, not proof of faith will determine the outcome. When you look at it this way, you begin to realize that you don\u2019t need to have faith. You just need to be willing to try something new. Sometimes we can get stuck trying to figure out the best possible way to do things or we can wreck ourselves trying to come up with an answer for every possible question, but there\u2019s nothing more empowering than giving yourself permission to start things.\u00a0 Entrepreneurship isn\u2019t a school test where you have to get all the questions right. It\u2019s a process of discovery. Sometimes the best way to discover what works is by doing the work. Ten minutes trying to build your idea will be worth far more to you than ten hours arguing with people about your ideas. Some people will demand that you spend hours debating them on social media about how reasonable your ideas are, but why not create a low-risk experiment where you can just test the ideas out in the real world? Instead of letting your possibilities be determined by some self-appointed social media committee, you can give yourself permission to try things and you can refine your theories along the way. At least that\u2019s the way I see it. https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?vcKJzX6m8p1U Do you mention Bitcoin SV in your motivational videos as a tool for people to \u201cbreak free\u201d in a way, be it economically or concerning their current jobs? Is it a topic you bring up a lot nowadays? Funny timing. I actually plan on launching a podcast very soon that combines my interest in Bitcoin, Personal Development, and Motivation. Stay tuned for details on that.\u00a0 Since BTC\u2019s whole purpose seems to be \u201chodling until death,\u201d which does not seem attractive for outsiders to get involved in, Bitcoin SV has a whole other vision of building use cases and actually being used as cash at the same time. What kind of people is Bitcoin SV attracting in your experience so far? There are a lot of interesting debates happening right now around issues like social media censorship, suppressed search engine results, and the privacy, permanency, reliability, and security of data. We\u2019ve experienced a concentrated dosage of life in 2020. A global pandemic, an economic lockdown unlike anything we\u2019ve ever seen, an unprecedented amount of money printing by central banks, protests and riots\u2026.these events have shown just how much disagreement, confusion, and fear can be generated when people have no idea of who to trust.\u00a0 I see more criticism and skepticism of mainstream media than I can recall in my lifetime. More and more people are starting to realize that the battle for freedom isn\u2019t just centered on money, but it\u2019s centered on the ownership and distribution of information. I think the type of individuals and businesses that are being drawn to Bitcoin SV are the ones who want to separate the signal from the noise. They want more transparency, accountability, ownership, and freedom in relation to the data we share about ourselves and the data that we\u2019re constantly being bombarded with.\u00a0 What are you personally looking for in Bitcoin? Besides money? One thing I\u2019ve said on the show before is that we\u2019re all going to be rich if Bitcoin wins. That\u2019s not a reference to hodling. That\u2019s a reference to all the new possibilities for creativity and commerce that Bitcoin can facilitate. Our world economy is like the Major Leagues before black people were allowed to play. Some of the most creative, talented, and hardworking people in the world are significantly limited from creating wealth for themselves and others because of flaws and inefficiencies in our financial system. We call them \u201cThe Unbanked.\u201d They have the talent, but they\u2019re not players in the game.\u00a0 Bitcoin can fix this. When you think about the Major Leagues before Jackie Robinson, there were still a lot of really good white players, but the whole game suffered because the best were not competing with the best. The Major leagues became a more competitive, creative, profitable, and entertaining league for everyone when more people were permitted to play. That\u2019s what an expanded system of cooperation and coordination does. As someone who is passionate about individual freedom and economic self-sufficiency, I\u2019m rooting for a world where Bitcoin opens the floodgates for more innovation than we\u2019ve ever seen. And I want to see more people able to create wealth without a bunch of artificial and needless restrictions holding them back. Can we get there? Time will tell. Thank you for your time and efforts! Thanks for having me. If I haven\u2019t overstayed my welcome, I\u2019ll end with a final story. There\u2019s a movie starring Denzel Washington called \u201cHurricane.\u201d It\u2019s about a former boxing champion Rubin Carter who\u2019s wrongly imprisoned for a crime, but the story centers around a young illiterate teenager named Lesra Martin. Lesra serendipitously gets ahold of a copy of Carter\u2019s book, \u201cThe Sixteenth Round,\u201d and is thoroughly captivated by the story. Through an almost unbelievable, but true, sequence of events, the boy\u2019s unceasing curiosity leads to a lengthy legal battle that results in the exoneration of Carter. Lesra eventually became a lawyer.\u00a0 When Lesra meets Carter to tell him about how the book changed his life, Carter says this line to him that I\u2019ll never forget: \u201cWe don't always choose the books we read\u2026 sometimes they choose us.\u201d I believe that our curiosities offer us the greatest opportunities for self discovery and personal transformation if we actually devote ourselves to them. When we find ourselves fascinated by some idea, that idea can be an inner compass of sorts that gives new meaning and direction to our lives.\u00a0 So if you find yourself fascinated by Bitcoin, don\u2019t place any limitations on what you can possibly learn and create! Dive in. You never know where things might lead.